I have another question?
This is supposed to be format CD/DVD etc... I know its not perfect but I'm a bit short on magical ideas for format, (or erase that also exists) and I have to do it before the week end so that the usability study can be launched still in good time, the study will test several different ideas for this icons...
This is format cd :) (I know I know its not obvious).
I have also made a new burn cd icon to put in the same test.
We had an icon for this action But i think this one is better, any way something to test also.
This is format cd :) (I know I know its not obvious).
I have also made a new burn cd icon to put in the same test.
We had an icon for this action But i think this one is better, any way something to test also.
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Either that or showing a disk part new and shiny and part with stuff on it with an arrow to indicate which way you are transitioning.
Or perhaps like the 1s and 0s example from yesterday but all zeros or one big 0
The 110101 turning to 0000 is interesting but I guess it wont work in smaller than 32x32 were we will only see a couple of numbers.
Pressed for time this is a non-issue. Given time it would be nice to as a wider opinion.
Nero well its fire loving emperor :).
CDBurnerXP name says it all :)
DeepBurner
burn4free
Free Burner 5.0
I know it makes litle sence to joe user but is a well established metafore.
Write/erase are more user friendly terms than burn/format.
The cd icon looks beautifull ^_^
Sponge with with small bubbles on top of CD/DVD can look quite well and is readable for all (in my opinion). Bits 01 also can be added on surface in haotic way.
Concerning the fact to "burn" CD, we should reallystop to think about the ... burning part and thus use flames.
Burning a CD is writing data to it. So what about using a write metaphor ? ( pencil, data flow to the CD building tools like a hammer, ... ).
For example an audio CD : musical notes going inside the CD
data cd : file. directories, images, videos icons going in the CD
for an idea of the of the data flow: http://s3.amazonaws.com/pixmac-preview/000012122743.jpg
http://mtviewband.com/files/music_stand_notes_flying_hg_clr.gif
For the burning, why not drawing a laser which start the fire of the burning
@ the sponge is a realy nice idea for errase, cool will try, for format I will keep this one..
Note: the "burn" metaphor is very english-centric. In other languages, the words are not the same.
The erase as the format should use the red color because its permanent and implies deletion.
I can see Joe user clicking the icon clean CD because he wanted it nice clean and sparkly. (never underestimate the stupidity)
>@ Andrew most cd recording aplications reference to burning, Example K3B stands for K "burn baby burn" ;).
I agree with Andrew,especially that if KDE is internationalized app. For example in Russian the metaphor "burn" is not so often used. I suppose the same is with other languages (at least Romanian)
So for the French an icon with fire does not make any sense. And they would better understand something like this :
http://tinyurl.com/l72qpl
Maybe the same problem exist in other languages.
So, using 'fire' is an usability bug .
Using a pen would be a better idea.
It's mentioned as burning, because lasers literally burn the data in the disc, so something to represent burning just makes sense, no need to sybolize writing.
As for the formatting, I like the icon, can't presonally come up with anything better so yeah :/
The user don't want to burn a CD, and he don't care about the way the CD is done. What he wants is to write the data ( audio or whatever else ) to the CD. Now if the recorder burn, engrave, or summon the CD, he don't care. However if you tell to a user that the recorder will burn the CD, ... he will fear about his CD, and about putting fire in his house ...
- can you provide me a copy of your audio CD joe ,
- no way, it's too dangerous. Someone told me that the recorder was literally burning the CD. i don't want to put my house on fire.
On top of that, which color to use for the beam ? red ? blue ( cf blue-ray ) ?
And about the format thing, I would use a little broom maybe, like the icon you are using to empty a search field, or the "computer janitor" icon.
I don't mind reinventing the wheel sometimes, but I'm not sure its a good idea to excape the industry methaphorical standard...+ the application icon is already a burning CD.
Sorry, but in France we never never use the word burn, but the word engrave instead. So flames on a CD s completly meaningless. People manage to use the software because next to the icon, we have "engrave" written.
Burn is english specific, and technical, as it talks about a low level information ( how the Cd is written ), and not about what you want to do ( write/copy my data on the CD )
1. most Cd recording application are done by english dev-> so they use burning metaphor
2. inertia : once one begin to use a metaphor, the others will follow. Especially if they are native english speaker ( cf point 1. )
3. 90% of the world is using Windows. Why do we bother using Linux or KDE ? Keep the same thing as others and the same concept ...
Nero for example is a German application
"once one begin to use a metaphor, the others will follow"
Yeap that is the reasoning for using those industry established metaphores
"90% of the world is using Windows. Why do we bother using Linux or KDE ? Keep the same thing as others and the same concept"
Being different for the sake of just being different doesn't make much sense.
english speakers might find better the burn methaphore as they have seen it in all other apps but they would also understand a pen methaphore.
what would be the problem in making pen methapore icons , that would be good for everyone, instead of burn metaphore icons , that would only be 100% understandable for english speakers?
for example in argentina we use "grabar" that would be save, like save data on a cd.
PS:sorry for my english
;-)
>About burn, you guys are aware it is the metaphor used in 90% of the burning, software in the world.
>I don't mind reinventing the wheel sometimes, but I'm not sure its a good idea to excape the industry methaphorical standard...+ the application icon is already a burning CD.
I never found burn icon intuitive so making a better icon with 'engrave' or 'pen' meaning might be a good idea.
- Does the user really care what the color of the disc looks like ?
Basically the reasoning is that all discs (compact disc, digital versatile disc, blue ray disc) are discs. I think this should not be present anywhere since it's irrelevant.
People who burn different type of media will know what type of disc to enter per-size.
When I enter a disc in my computer, I really don't give a damned what its type is.
So I think in the end it's counter-productive to try to show different media types with the icon, it has no purpose.
But the main reson herae for the difrent types of cd is that in K3B you can create difrent types of média, music data, video etc etc...
Also it does no harm making that visual distinction....
http://www.chelsea.lib.mi.us/pencil.GIF
Except with your skill of course.
And maybe show a portion of the DVD lighter.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__JNFVYfijS4/SkQHPT7CP_I/AAAAAAAAAqE/SfgD4B6Tmys/s1600-h/tools-media-optical-format.png
maybe for your next icons you could tell everyone what you're thinking and people could respond with their ideas. When a concensus is met you could then mock up images? it might make more people happy and save you valuable time??
Just an idea? Could you see how it works for your next icons?
I think that from the second
you might get the idea that it
means burning something to
the disc.
I asked my friend who is a designer to make an icon according to the idea. This is what he gave me:
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/139/glyphcdburn1.gif
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8717/toolsmediaopticalformat.png
(Sorry about the lame skills)
Thats exactly what I was searching in this time...
Thanks!!!
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